๐ท โRooty was freaking out, so I gave her a large bowl of Chardonnay.โ ๐ท
๐ญ ๐ You're in for a treat! ๐ ๐คธโโ๏ธ
Bonjour!
Today is Monday, January 24. There are 134 days until I go on my next Disney cruise??? In case this email is too long, listen to an interview with the hosts of Maintenance Phase, a podcast recommended by James Cridland, and I cannot believe how much I loved this.
This week weโre getting to peek intoย the listening life ofย Mike Atkins, a producer for the Football Daily YouTube channel, creating football (soccer) content for over two million subscribers worldwide. Iโm also the producer for our podcast Extra Time, which was briefly the number one football podcast in the UK upon launch in 2018, and has had both over three million downloads and three million views on YouTube.
The app I use: My go-to app is Podcast Addict - it was the first app I downloaded to listen to podcasts however many years ago and Iโve felt no need to change!
Listening time per week: On a good week I get in about 30 hours of listening - usually itโs closer to 20!
When I listen: If Iโm not sat at my desk working, then usually Iโm listening! In the morning before I start working, when I walk the dog, at the gym, if Iโm traveling anywhere. Whenever I can find the time to!
How I discover: Most of what I listen to Iโve found through word-of-mouth. Be that friends giving me recommendations, or other podcasts mentioning what they like, if itโs a topic that interests me Iโll always give a podcast at least one listen to. Also if thereโs something Iโm particularly interested in, Iโll try to seek out a podcast/episode to teach me more - I always find Iโm more engaged by listening to a podcast than I am by watching a video or reading something!
Anything else? In a shameless plug, Iโd like to promote my twitter @MikeAtkns - Iโm currently working on a couple of my own podcast projects in my spare time that Iโm hoping I can bring to fruition within a couple months. Weโre also launching a new podcast at Football Daily in a few weeks - if youโre into sports nostalgia it could be for you!
xoxo lp
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Willa Paskin
Willa Paskin is the host of Decoder Ring. Follow her on Twitter here.
How doย you get ideas for the stories? Are most of them yours?
We get our ideas all sorts of ways. Listeners have suggested the episodes about the mystery of the mullet, clowns and the Truly Tasteless Joke book series, among others. Colleagues have suggested our episodes about the metrosexual, Truck Nutz, and blue food. My husband suggested the episode about hydration. But I would say that the majority of our topics are self-generated.ย
I personally come up with episodes in one of two ways. The first is Iโll be sparked by something concrete.ย Like Iโll see a tweet about Lord Byron or Bart Simpson, or read about Alberta Canadaโs rat war in a newsletter, or notice that Andrew Wyeth was on the cover of Time and Newsweek the same week in the 1980s and wonder: could that be something? And then I dig around and, lo and behold, thereโs the story to go with it.
The other way, which is much more chaotic, is that I start with a very hazy idea and see if I canโt find my way to something specific. An example: We did an episode about the Tootsie shot, this camera shot in movies of a personโusually a womanโstrutting down a packed New York City street. Itโs very specific, but that came out of me doing nearly a dozen interviews noodling on the question, โWhy do โ80s movies feel so different, so much shaggier, than movies do now?โ Sometimes I feel like Iโm just basically ransacking my whole life, to remember every single thing Iโve ever been curious about, and then seeing if I can turn that into an episode somehow, someday.
Whatโs your relationship with your voice and how would you describe it?
I know how this sounds butโฆ I love the sound of my own voice. And I think Iโve gotten much better at using it over the run of the show! My background is entirely in print journalism and it takes time to get comfortable on a mic. You not only have to learn how to use your voice to put stuff over, but then you have to get confident enough to be a little playful with it. Itโs a performance and I did not think about that very much before starting the show. You know what they say about ignorance.
As for what it sounds like: a little deep, very fast, has a tendency towards vocal fry and occasional heady bursts of a New Yawk accent. If that sounds like Iโm being disparagingโplease see above!
What was the hardest episode to make? What was your favorite episode to make?ย
Pretty early on we did an episode about a conman that came closer than any we have ever done to straight-up not working . It was a great yarn and thatโs why we wanted to do it, but we hadnโt thought enough about whether we, Decoder Ring, should do it and why. We thought we could just tell the story, no big, whatever, come along for the ride, but we really had to figure out why are we telling this true crime tale?ย
The funny thing is, as with all things that hurt a lot, you donโt really remember the pain. So I honestly donโt remember how sickeningly stressful and difficult that one was, I can just bloodlessly recall that neither Ben Frisch (Decoder Ringโs indispensable producer) or I had any clue what to even try to do with it at a certain point which, well, itโs never happened before or since, thank goodness, and there were a bunch of last minute listening sessions and a pushed airdate before, ultimately, we pulled it off. Or maybe thatโs generous! I havenโt ever re-listened to that one. Maybe we just got an episode up, a low-bar kind of pulling it off.ย
Without that kind of concrete, defcon, emergency flare up I find it difficult to remember how hard the episodes were. I recall that the one I did about a crazy soap opera storyline contained just so much information and took so many iterations to start getting better that it really wore me down; the selling out episode was also a beast. Itโs not a coincidence that those two were made in the last year. Iโm sure something older was just as hard, but thankfully itโs blacked out.
Also really hardโthe episode I love the most. (The episode I love the second most is about Jane Fonda and Leni Cazden, the woman who created the Jane Fonda Workout.) Itโs called The Sign Painter and itโs about an artist Iโve known all my life and why her career hasnโt turned out as she hoped. I decided I wanted to do it years before I did it: when I dove in initially, it felt so fraught, that I backed away from it. But all that time I spent not working on it helped. Itโs maybe the only episode weโve ever done, maybe the only thing Iโve ever done, that turned out exactly how I saw it in my head. The thing in your headโor my head anyway!โ always seems so clear but when I try to set it down it reveals itself to be foggy and nebulous and it's apparent I was skipping a hundred steps in my mind. That was true about this too, except somehow, in the end, it became what I had imagined.
Is there an episode youโve always wanted to do but it just hasnโt come together?
I really want to do an episode about the Saved by the Bell episode โJessieโs Songโ (you know, the one about the caffeine pill addiction) but I cannot get Elizabeth Berkleyโs publicist to respond to my emails!
๐จIf u only have time for 1 thing๐จ
I was less than pumped for the podcast Finding Fred, because, as I have explained, I thought Mr. Rogers was boring. I was a confident girl and did not need someone to tell me I was special just the way I wasโI need someone to tell me that now that I have been crushed by the world. But Finding Fred was one of the best podcasts Iโve ever heard. (I cry every time I listen to Beth.) I didnโt like Raffi when I was young (I was a Sharon, Lois & Bram girl) so I am curious if the new Finding Raffi (a follow-up to Finding Fred) will be my new favorite show. The host is comedian Chris Garcia, who was the host of a beautiful, personal audio project called Scattered. I have a hunch this podcast is what we all need right nowโa warm hug. And while episode one was a nice introduction, episode two gets into itโRaffiโs family background and trauma, the history of the Armenian genocide, and how that impacted Raffi. Maybe Iโm a Raffi girl, after all.
โก๏ธNews from Sounds Profitableโก๏ธ
Sounds Profitable (check out the newsletter and podcast) launched Good Data, where Caila Litman will mine the latest audio industry studies and spotlight valuable insights on a monthly basis. This is so needed and Caila makes it totally fun. Caila spent the better half of December mining twenty-five industry podcast studies from 2021, hunting for the hottest stats worth our attention and found (among other things) that compared to other mediums, podcast listening is growing the most, more women, multicultural, and younger people are listening, and why these are important indicators of the state of the audio industry. Subscribe here.
๐BTW๐
๐๏ธArielle Nissenblatt spotlighted Century Lives in her newsletter and podcast.
๐๏ธIf youโre enjoying the whole West Elm Caleb story, listen to Do You Know Mordechai.
๐๏ธIf youโre considering listening to The Donut Shop Murders, listen to Crime Writers Onโฆ first. Listen here.
๐๏ธFor the anniversary of Roe v. Wade, Private Parts Unknown put together an episode in honor and defense of abortion access that allows 26 actors, comedians, podcasters, and activists to voice real-life abortion stories from the court filing, which illustrates the myriad reasons people choose abortion. Includes the voices of Jamie Loftus, Anna Hossnieh, Miles Gray and others. Listen here.
๐๏ธOn our Podcast Pitch Party last week, James Cridland recommended Death in Ice Valley, a story that starts with an unidentified womanโs body and tries to track down who she was and why she hasnโt been missed. The body belonged to a mystery woman who is believed to have either killed herself or been killed. Often audio dramas have beautiful soundscapes, but not always narrative nonfiction. This podcast, launch in 2018, has both. Audio clips of the reporters on the case can be heard in Norway and Spainโwe can hear the rain on the umbrella above us, we feel like weโre on a busy beach. The climate is a character in this story. And as the mystery unravels, we are treated to a whodunnit that is a multi-layered mystery sandwich that includes confounding details that have the team globetrotting and interviewing all sorts of people who might have a piece of the puzzle. The detail we get is fantastic, and allows us to learn about what spies do and donโt do, teeth, and french handwriting. Listen here.
๐๏ธTorched tells the wildest stories of the Olympics, and since basketball is the best sport for podcasting (says moi) it starts out perfectly with Three Seconds on the Clock, the tale of the 1972 Olympic Men's Basketball Final, which starts with the Cold War and ends with a bitter group of American Olympians refusing to claim their Silver Medal. Listen here.
๐๏ธThe Guilty Feminist has been recapping the Sex and the City reboot in the smartest way. Deborah Frances-White is bringing on great guests (like my former writing teacher Sara Barron) to rehash what weโve seen, but itโs not just a recap. Theyโre taking a microscopic look at some of the new showโs easter eggs that call back to the original. Deborah is also laser focused on what the show might be saying about the real-life drama between Sarah Jessica Parker and Kim Cattrall. Is And Just Like That an olive branch to Kim? You can watch the dumbness of And Just Like That, but then you can listen to Deborah et. al. talk about it and realize how much there is to discuss. Listen here.
๐๏ธWhat I enjoyed even more than 72-hours straight of downing shitty Hallmark (and Lifetime) Christmas movies over the holidays was this Citations Needed episode that exposes the conservative precepts and tropes that are the base of The Hallmark Cinematic Universe. This week they followed up with a look at the anti-labor business model of Hallmark films and the union-busting business of CGI by interviewing an anonymous screenwriter with experience working with Hallmark. What do you think you get when you have high churn and low budget? This is scary for laborers. (Itโs kind of like what you get when you buy Shein clothes, which I do, and this was covered in an excellent episode of Vice News Reports.) Listen to the latest Citations Needed here.
๐๏ธOne of the funniest things I have heard in awhile was listening to Aubrey and Michael of Maintenance Phase describing the cover of the book of The Karl Lagerfeld Diet. Hearing them go in depth into Lagerfeldโs fashion is not bad, either. Itโs an episode about hisโs โdiet,โ (yes, diet advice from someone in fashion is ridiculous) but more so about how and why this book really happened, and the toxicity of the legendary Karl Lagerfeld. Listen here.
๐๏ธOn I Weigh, Jameela Jamil interviewed Aubrey Gordon and Michael Hobbes (Maintenance Phase) about toxic diet culture and the many ways fat people are devalued in society. Jameela is transparent about how diet culture has impacted her own body and relationship with exercise, and together they discuss how the wellness industry is diet culture in sheepโs clothing. The funniest part to me is imagining sitting next to Michael Hobbes at a dinner party and admitting youโre on a juice cleanseโIโd almost like to tell him this if I ever had the opportunity to dine with him to see what heโd say. And a quote from Aubrey seems to me, an excellent campaign slogan for whoever is running against Dr. Oz: "A guy who was interrogated by Congress should not be running for Congress.โ If you havenโt been downloading every single episode of Maintenance Phase, this is a great way to get to know Aubrey and Michael, and if you already know them, itโs an interesting to hear the tables turned on them. Listen here.
๐๏ธJo Piazzaโs Committed ended its season with a story that, if I read it in a novel, I would think, โwhat an imaginative writer!โ Written in the Stars tells the story of a man who bicycled thousands of miles across foreign lands just to be reunited with the woman he loved in 1975. And yes, theyโre still together. We get to hear them tell the story of their meeting in a way that will remind you of the opening credits of When Harry Met Sally. Listen here.
๐๏ธNormal Gossip takes us through small-town gossip stories that are so small we shouldnโt really care about them, but host Kelsey McKinney proves that if you pick them apart, we really do. The most recent episode has everythingโannoying โorganic-or-bustโ fraudster, a petty knitting circle, a well-meaning protagonist who goes along for the ride, and guest Rachelle Hampton (of ICYMI) who is not afraid to get dirty in the scandal. If I havenโt convinced you to listen to this show yet, I worry that you donโt listen to me enough. Listen here.
๐๏ธSnap Judgment tells the heroic story of a man and Rooty, his a 300 lb pot-bellied pig trapped in a house during Hurricane Katrina. Jim stayed behind despite all warnings to flee, in order to care for Rudy, who was depressed and unresponsive as Jim held down the fort. This would have been an incredible story of survival were it not for the fact that a pig was involved. Jim is a loveable protagonist. (โRudy was freaking out, so I gave her a large bowl of Chardonnay.โ) Listen here.
๐๏ธIf you havenโt listened to City of Ghosts, itโs an excellent time to start. The full series is here, and itโs a great show to binge. In a completely New Yorky setting, Eleanor "El" Rivkin is an information broker who makes a living collecting and selling the dirty secrets of New Yorkโs elite. When journalist Sarah is murdered, she is tasked to investigate it, and she starts hearing the voices of the dead. The podcast is perfectly produced and pulls you deep into the spine-tingling world itโs created. The cast is full of big namesโBrigette Lundy-Paine (Atypical), Erin Darke (Mrs Maisel), Moises Airas (Hannah Montanna), Rich Sommer (Mad Men) and Kevin Pollak (A Few Good Men). This team didnโt cut a single corner in creating a masterful show that will transport you to a haunted, 1990s New York City. Listen here.
๐๏ธImaginary Worlds has a two-part series about politics in the funnies, which juxtaposes Walt Kellyโs Pogo and Al Cappโs Liโl Abner, two groundbreaking sensations that, in a time when the comics were generally seen as a neutral place, incorporated satire into their fantastical worlds and shaped cultures in different ways. The acknowledgment of these comic strips has dwindled (at one point they were reaching about 90M people per dayโand now, hardly anyone has heard of them) we are still feeling the ripple effects of what they accomplished. Listen here and here.
๐๏ธReveal is slowly unfolding the story of the disappearance of 43 students from theย Ayotzinapa Rural Teachersโ College in Guerrero, Mexico in a three-episode series. (In late 2014, the students were taken by armed men in the middle of the night while they were protesting on a bus.) Anayansi Diaz-Cortes and Kate Doyle from the National Security Archive, along with Omar Gรณmez Trejo, the man the Mexican president tapped to prosecute the crime, are sharing Trejoโs audio diaries that give insight into a massive coverup by the previous Mexican administration, and updates about the current investigators who are still trying to bring justice to the people who have never been found. Listen here.
๐๏ธJustine had always had a difficult relationship with her mother, and on Family Secrets, she tells Dani Shapiro about how she was able to learn about her motherโs childhood that explained why, after her mom died. She discovered her mom was raised as a foundling at Londonโs Hospital for the Maintenance and Education of Exposed and Deserted Young Children. Established in the eighteenth century to raise โbastardโ children to clean chamber pots for Englandโs ruling class, the institution was a loveless environment for a child to grow up in, and explained why Justineโs mother had been so cold. While revisiting her own traumatic childhood, she is able to learn to love her mother, or at least the young girl who was raised without love in a harmful institution. As the secrets-whisperer, Dani gets it. She is able to pull out a heartbreaking story from a woman who has done the work to try to figure out who she is. Listen here.
๐๏ธA woman on Terrible, Thanks for Asking talks about going to great lengths to try to find out if her dad is still alive. Lots of great โ90s references! Listen now.
๐๏ธI love you!